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an article published today said that vegans who do not eat any animal products during pregnancy, and who insist on feeding their children vegan diets have more chance of giving birth to under weight babies, and also that those babies have a higher chance of being mentally retarded than those who did have as little as the equivillent of 2 spoons of meat. so why is it that these people persist in forcing their views on their children whether the children benefit from it or not?
because they assume they are right and in my experience with vegans ect they will not be told otherwise,in the same way mothers smoke/drink during pregnancy {it wont happen to my child} ect they suffer from a terrible dose of selfish,ignorance and a complete disregard for the child's welfare...
Wow! Yeah! I always knew something great would come out of being a carnivor!
Heheheh ditto Kragiel! Ya I'm not a vegan, I actually hate vegetables lol. But I know someone who is, and if she ever gets pregnant i may ahve to have a little talk with her hehe. I think this, like smoking and drinking, is horrible; why foist your regimes on your young child? Good grief!
because as I said these people believe that they are somehow immune from cancer and heart disease ect, therefore their child will not be born addicted to nicotine/alcohol and possibly blind,brain damaged, and/or extremely ill. They live in blissful ignorance of the consequences of their actions,also they may have grown up in family where drinking/smoking during pregnancy is the norm..
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Caitlin veggies are vital for life you cant hate them all!..what about fresh boiled carrots with black pepper and melted butter heaven.
Well, I am started to become a vegan because I don't like meat anymore and milk products always make me feel bad. But I would not force my children to eat vegan food if I'll have some. I think I might give them "normal" food and let them decide later what they want to eat.
Sounds good to me, Inisle. Heehee. I plan to do the same for mine.
I could never be a vegan, or a vegy for that matter - I only eat things that have parents! seriously though, I worked with a vegan once, she had to be one of the palest, most unhealthy person I have ever met, and she had a 1 year old son, and I can remember asking her at the time ... what about your son? will you force him to be a vegan as well? to which she replied, well obviously when he's older he'll be able to make his own decisions, but for now he's vegan, and we take him to animal rights protests so hopefully he'll see how cruel it is that way. I ask you, animal rights protests? a 1 year old? that is so not healthy. also ... why is it that if you have a vegetarian round for dinner you'd accommodate their dietry requirements yet if a vegy asked you round for dinner they'd serve you vegetarian? just an observation
No, I couldn't do it. Even though the only meat i eat is chicken and shrimp, vegan? no
They take the kid to protests? That's horrid!
I'm not going to pick on vegans or vegetarians, but I just like meat too much. I unfortunately ran into a rather nasty and fanatical strain of vegan/vegetarians some years ago on a telephone bulletin board system. To them it was not just a health issue, but a moral one and was tied into animal rights and such. At least one of them said he felt he was morally superior to carnivors, and others acted as if anyone who ate meat was just as bad as whoever killed the animal. I've got a word for those types. Carrot juice is murder, too, so I guess they'll just have to eat air. You can't murder air. Hahahahahahaha!
Well you could hurt air. What if you stab a knife through air? It might be hurting the air. So we'd all just better die so as not to hurt anyone. Not trying to mock anyone, I think being a vegan is perfectly nifty and thigns. Just making a fun little joke, so no one please like attack me for this or anything heh! i'm just a meat-lover and what not.
Hahaha! The rights an animal has are 1: To not be treated cruelly while they're alive, and 2: To happily be eaten by me when they're dead! Wait! Dead things don't have emotions! Dead, cooked animals have the right to be on my plate for dinner!
hmmm yeh .. animal rights ... and what about my human rights ... my right as a human is to have animal for lunch, grin
Well I feel better since I'm vegan, I have to say. There are a lot of vitamines in the food, and the fat isn't from animals so it's all healthier. And I heard that people who are vegans don't get ill that often.
Yaaaaaaay! More meat for me!!!!!
well not sure about them not getting ill, but I do know they always tend to look really pale and unhealthy. and anyway imagine what you're giving up by becoming a vegan? imagine no chocolate! because chocolate contains milk, an absolute no no for vegans, no cakes, no biscuits because of the eggs .. only drinking black tea/coffee ... no thanks!
Yeah! That's a tall order!
hmmmm now what else ... no pancakes? no omelets? no bacon sandwitches? ... nooooh!
I mean i know you can drink soy milk, but cadberys dairymilk just doesn't quite sound the same as cadberys soy milk.
Lol! Over here, it's Hershy's! The only time stuff with the Cadbery label comes out is at Easter, when the eggs show up! Oooh! Cadbery cream eggs! Would that be a double violation of veganism, since, not only are you eating chocolate, but you're eating something that resembles an animal byproduct?
well yeh it would, but much much worse, is the chocolate bunnies!
A clear case of indoctrination get them while their young and easily influenced..I wonder how many of these children grow up detesting their parents and their high ideals.
Yeah, you can drink soy milk and there is even chocolate made with soy milk. That's healthier and not too sweet. I'm sorry that I have another opinion than you have but I like being a vegan.
Insele why justify your belief if the diet works for you that's great..I'm a true omnivore I will eat anything as long as it hasn't suffered beforehand...
no no ines don't feel you have to apologise for having a different opinion, i certainly don't apologise for having my own opinions and neither should you. It's not that I disagree with people for being vegans, after all whatever lifestyle suits you is your perogative, it's when people try and force those beliefs on to me that I have issue with it. When people try to tell me that animals suffered as a result of the food I eat, even eggs cheese and milk which certainly is not the case, and more to the point, when people insist on bringing up their children in the same beliefs as themselves, to the detriment of those children. The problem with people that are vegan for moral reasons, well with anyone who has very strong beliefs actually, is that those beliefs seem tto blind them to the opinions/beliefs of others. it's the same with certain religions, although I'm not going to open up the topic to religion .. lets not go there, but .. their belief, to them, is all that is important, and anything anyone else believes is inconsequencial.
I think avoiding large quanteties of meat is actually good for you. Esepcailly if you live in the U.S. and the animals have been raised on hromone added diet to facilitate growtth. Another point in vegans favor is that if we fed the population of the plaent straight from what we grow rather than from higher up in the food chain we could feed a lot more people (by e.g. eating beef we're only using about 15% of the original calories that the grass produced so we could've fed 6 times as many people if we used the land for vegetables).
All this being said, I now some vegans and many of them are actually overweight, I wonder if eating vegeterrian stuff and not feeling full induces them to eat more and supplement their foods with sugarry things, it doesn't appear to be all that healthy for me.
I now I generally feel a lot better after white meat or vegeterrian meals than after red meats but by the same token I would not want to be restircted to vegan diet only, I enjoy eating, it's a pleasure and good meal is almost as good as bad sex (some would say better) . And to me vegans are people who kill tings that don't even have the ability to run away .
So, vegeterrians, yes, I can understand, especially if they include milk and fish and possibly chicken in their diet but avoid red meat, I can understand how they would feel better and how that would still provide you with a choice of nice options, but vegans I could not deal with, when I was raised having dinner together was a social event and huge deal and we all ate the same food and enjoyed the same things and discussed and experimented with food and it was a bit family union thing. If I had adapted a strange approach to eating I would have missed out on a lot of that.
So, I'd have to say, a little bit of everything sounds like the best diet to me. The Japanese are the longest lived and they eat a lot of fish, I think over dozes of read meats or pepperoni or simiarly unhealthy things are awful for you and I think babies should not have their parents diet forced on them (of course one coul argue the same thing for parents religion etc but I'll leave that subject since I feel it's different, and diet is more, well immediate and more socially noticed and life style setting in a way than religion is, at least when you are a child).
Cheers
-B
Actually b you make a good point about children not having their parents' diet forced upon them. a different study which was conducted a few months ago indicated that babies were not gaining the correct weight because their parents were forcing them to eat the same foods as them, i.e. low fat milk/cheeses, ready meals which contain huge amounts of salt/sugar .. etc. i personally cooked all my son's food from scratch, he never ate a jar of baby food in his life, not once, and when he reached about 6 months he began to eat more or less what we ate but with added vegetables where i maybe didn't eat them, or chicken/fish where i ate red meat - red meat is difficult to consume when you only have 4 teeth, grin
I really don't care for people who want to force any kind of belief on me. Yes, I understand they have found something that works in their lives and they have a vision of a better world where everyone believes this or that or adopts this or that lifestyle. But I think that's the worst kind of idealism. I just don't think there's one simple answer to making the world a better place, and it's a shame people think that everybody's just going to drop everything and jump on somebody's personal bandwagon.